Chained Radicals
Define the infinite nested radical for a >= 0: R(a) = sqrta + sqrta + sqrt(a +...) Determine R(a) in closed form and study variants with different nested radical chains.
Problem Statement
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Consider the problem of determining a secret number from a set \(\{1, ..., N\}\) by repeatedly choosing a number \(y\) and asking "Is the secret number greater than \(y\)?".
If \(N=1\) then no questions need to be asked. If \(N=2\) then only one question needs to be asked. If \(N=64\) then six questions need to be asked. However, in the latter case if the secret number is \(1\) then six questions still need to be asked. We want to restrict the number of questions asked for small values.
Let \(Q(N, d)\) be the least number of questions needed for a strategy that can find any secret number from the set \(\{1, ..., N\}\) where no more than \(x + d\) questions are needed to find the secret value \(x\).
It can be proved that \(Q(N, 0) = N - 1\). You are also given \(Q(7, 1) = 3\) and \(Q(777, 2) = 10\).
Find \(\displaystyle \sum _{d=0}^7 \sum _{N=1}^{7^{10}} Q(N, d)\).
Problem 887: Chained Radicals
Mathematical Analysis
Theorem 1 (Fixed Point Convergence)
Proof. If the nested radical converges to , then , so , giving . By the quadratic formula: . Since , we take the positive root.
Theorem 2 (Convergence Guarantee)
For , define and . Then converges monotonically to .
Proof. The function is a contraction on since for and . By the Banach fixed point theorem, iteration converges. Monotonicity: , and is increasing, so , etc.
Theorem 3 (Rate of Convergence)
since (linear convergence).
Theorem 4 (Generalized Nested Radical)
For the Ramanujan radical with varying terms:
More generally, converges when .
Lemma (Integer Solutions)
is an integer iff , i.e., for .
| 1 | 0 |
| 2 | 2 |
| 3 | 6 |
| 4 | 12 |
| 5 | 20 |
Concrete Numerical Examples
| Decimal | ||
|---|---|---|
| 0 | 1.000 | |
| 1 | 1.618 | |
| 2 | 2.000 | |
| 3 | 2.303 | |
| 6 | 3.000 | |
| 12 | 4.000 |
Convergence Example ()
| | | Error | |:-:|:-:|:-:| | 0 | 0 | 2.000 | | 1 | 1.414 | 0.586 | | 2 | 1.848 | 0.152 | | 3 | 1.961 | 0.039 | | 4 | 1.990 | 0.010 | | 5 | 1.997 | 0.003 |
Golden Ratio Connection
For : , the golden ratio. This means:
Generalization: Different Terms
Varying nested radicals
converges when for some constant (Herschfeld’s theorem).
Ramanujan’s Famous Identity
Proof. Define . One can show by verifying .
Cube Root Variant
The equation gives . By Cardano’s formula, the real root can be expressed in terms of .
Continued Fraction Connection
For : is the continued fraction, while is the nested radical. Both converge to the golden ratio, connecting two fundamental iterative structures.
Complexity Analysis
| Method | Precision | Iterations |
|---|---|---|
| Fixed-point iteration | ||
| Direct formula | exact |
Answer
Code
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/*
* Problem 887: Chained Radicals
* R(a) = sqrt(a + sqrt(a + ...)) = (1 + sqrt(1 + 4a)) / 2.
*/
#include <bits/stdc++.h>
using namespace std;
double nested_radical(double a) {
return (1.0 + sqrt(1.0 + 4.0 * a)) / 2.0;
}
double nested_iterative(double a, int iters = 100) {
double x = 0;
for (int i = 0; i < iters; i++) x = sqrt(a + x);
return x;
}
int main() {
ios_base::sync_with_stdio(false);
cin.tie(NULL);
cout << fixed << setprecision(10);
cout << "=== Nested Radical ===" << endl;
for (double a : {0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 6.0, 12.0, 20.0, 100.0}) {
double exact = nested_radical(a);
double iter = nested_iterative(a, 200);
cout << "a=" << a << ": exact=" << exact << " iter=" << iter
<< " diff=" << scientific << abs(exact - iter) << fixed << endl;
}
cout << "\n=== Golden Ratio ===" << endl;
cout << "R(1) = " << nested_radical(1.0) << endl;
cout << "phi = " << (1.0 + sqrt(5.0)) / 2.0 << endl;
cout << "\n=== Integer Solutions ===" << endl;
for (int n = 1; n <= 10; n++) {
int a = n * (n - 1);
cout << "R(" << a << ") = " << nested_radical(a) << " (n=" << n << ")" << endl;
}
cout << "\nAnswer: R(1) = phi = " << nested_radical(1.0) << endl;
return 0;
}
"""
Problem 887: Chained Radicals
Nested radical: sqrt(a + sqrt(a + ...)) = (1 + sqrt(1+4a))/2.
"""
from math import sqrt
def nested_radical_exact(a):
"""Closed form: (1 + sqrt(1 + 4a)) / 2."""
return (1 + sqrt(1 + 4 * a)) / 2
def nested_radical_iterative(a, iterations=100):
"""Fixed-point iteration: x_{n+1} = sqrt(a + x_n)."""
x = 0.0
for _ in range(iterations):
x = sqrt(a + x)
return x
def convergence_history(a, iterations=20):
"""Return list of iterates."""
x = 0.0
history = [x]
for _ in range(iterations):
x = sqrt(a + x)
history.append(x)
return history
def integer_solutions(max_n=20):
"""Find a where R(a) is integer: a = n(n-1)."""
return [(n, n * (n - 1)) for n in range(1, max_n + 1)]
# --- Verification ---
print("=== Nested Radical Exact vs Iterative ===")
for a in [0, 1, 2, 3, 6, 12, 20, 30, 100]:
exact = nested_radical_exact(a)
iterative = nested_radical_iterative(a, 200)
diff = abs(exact - iterative)
print(f" a={a:>3}: exact={exact:.6f}, iter={iterative:.6f}, diff={diff:.2e}")
assert diff < 1e-10
print("\n=== Integer Solutions ===")
for n, a in integer_solutions(10):
R = nested_radical_exact(a)
print(f" R({a}) = {R:.1f} (n={n})")
assert abs(R - n) < 1e-10
print("\n=== Golden Ratio ===")
phi = nested_radical_exact(1)
phi_true = (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2
print(f" R(1) = {phi:.10f}")
print(f" phi = {phi_true:.10f}")
assert abs(phi - phi_true) < 1e-12
print("\n=== Convergence for a=2 ===")
hist = convergence_history(2, 10)
for i, x in enumerate(hist):
print(f" x_{i} = {x:.6f}, error = {abs(x - 2):.6f}")
answer = nested_radical_exact(1)
print(f"\nAnswer: R(1) = phi = {answer:.10f}")
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